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Agent MattPosted: Feb 20, 2010 - 18:00
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MuertosPosted: Feb 20, 2010 - 18:34
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Ron Paul has about as much chance of getting the Republican nomination as Charlie Sheen does of getting that real interview with Barack Obama that he's wanted for so long.

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advancedatheistPosted: Feb 20, 2010 - 18:48
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And, like many Austrianists, Ron Paul has left a document trail of supporting fringe beliefs, saying stupid things and probably making falsified economic predictions of doom.

For example:

Ron Paul: Quackery enabler

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/12/ron_paul_quackery_enabler.php

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scitopsPosted: Feb 20, 2010 - 19:55
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Paul's son is poised to become the next senator from Kentucky. http://twitter.com/dflaherty/status/9391697239

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Feb 21, 2010 - 00:03
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DUMB/OLD 2012!

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Suburban_BlightPosted: Feb 21, 2010 - 08:20
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i guess jones and co would have to spin it so that palin has "woken up" just like the implied idea that somehow her getting together with the tea baggers has somehow hurt that movement

i particulary liked this line from a post someone had made on the article

"You can vote Paul or you can vote for a liar."

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Agent MattPosted: Feb 21, 2010 - 13:00
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"You can vote Paul or you can vote for a liar."

I'd vote for the liar before I voted for Paul.

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No_HerosPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 09:30
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I'd vote for Paul... Protest vote. I wouldn't vote for his son though, he's to hawkish on the war against terror. I doubt Paul would run with Palin. This blog post is full of speculation, distored views & outright made up lies.

"Ron Paul apparently does not accept the theory of evolution" as an agnostic neither do I. I don't buy into creationism either but these beliefs would have little influence on my vote.

"White claimed that Paul and his aides regularly met with members of neo-Nazi groups like Stormfront" This kid that is a Holocaust denying fruit loop is hardly a credible source. Bill white has more in common with stormfront than Paul.

"Ron Paul has accepted donations from white supremacists"
It wasn't like the Nazi party sent him a huge check, more than likley it was an online donation from Joe Bob & his Cousin/Wife Betty Sue Bob-Bob sent in some money. This is nothing but spin.

"It also doesn't help Paul's case that he makes pronouncements that Israel is trying to get the U.S. to go to war with Iran" This is true cause the facts are that Isreal wants every american to bake them a friggen cookie.

"I've come across Bill White's antics from time to time before, and he is clearly a liar of the first order" The same liar you sourced to claim Ron Paul was tied to stormfront?

"first, the argument isn't that Paul is a racist per se, but that he is an extremist who shares a belief system held not just by racists but other anti-government zealots as well." Classic guilt by association insanity.

Was this article written by Bizzaro Alex Jones?

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sorryPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 11:03
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I tend to side with you, No_Heros. It's amazing how some of the skeptics are so quick to fallaciously tear Paul down.

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AltonPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 13:20
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Though I like Ron Paul's "libertarian like" views (minus the idea of going back to the gold standard and closed borders), he is not quite consistent with me. Plus, it is very difficult for any politician to be consistent wanting limited government while being entangled with it. With Ron Paul somewhat unintentionally being associated with conspiracy nuts (however, he goes on their radio shows) and white supremacists, this will damage his chances of becoming president IMO.

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No_HerosPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 14:01
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I havn't seen anything that ties Ron Paul to white supremacists yet. I found that the donation was from Dan Black (stormfront) but the campaign explained that is just $500 dollars less that idiot boy has to spend to spread his ignorance.

What are your ideas on currency? I do like the idea of something of limited resource backing a currency rather than nothing backing it. With gold I guess you run the danger of some institution selling off a bunch of gold and the the dollar could drop because of increased supply in the market. Still I currently think it would be better than our IOU economy.

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advancedatheistPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 14:11
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@ No-Heros:

I do like the idea of something of limited resource backing a currency rather than nothing backing it.

No libertarian I know of calls the currency he uses to pay taxes "nothing." Our currency receives plenty of "backing" every April 15.

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AltonPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 18:00
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No_Heros wrote:

I havn't seen anything that ties Ron Paul to white supremacists yet.

Yes, he has no direct ties I know of either, but crowds like Stormfront back him.

What are your ideas on currency?

My idea on currency is that it can be a plethora of ideas, tools, standards, resources, etc. that people can accept for value and insurance to make exchanges. Some may fail, some may be popular, or just one or two may be the most efficient. Once there are room for options, I see no problems.

As for gold, the problem I see with it is like what certain economists saw decades ago, it is quite limited in supply and because gold supplies grow more slowly than economies, the gold standard is highly deflationary, in which credit would be much tighter to come by. But I just read where Ron Paul don't want to switch completely to a gold standard but for this gold standard to compete alongside other currencies.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 18:09
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Isn't there an article he wrote for a white nationalist newspaper or something? I could be remember one of the details incorrectly, or just be completely wrong.

I also recall him making a comment that we have blacks to fear more than terrorists.

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Sil the ShillPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 18:09
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"It's amazing how some of the skeptics are so quick to fallaciously tear Paul down. "

I think you can tear down any politician if you try hard enough, Paul just makes it easier with all of his CT associations.

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SkyPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 18:11
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AltonPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 18:17
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Interesting stuff @Sky and Ferseus

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sorryPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 18:20
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Considering Paul did not write those words and has not (as far as I know) been affiliated with any other racist agendas, I'm going to avoid labeling him a racist. CTs are described as thinking in black and white terms, yet many people are quick to throw Paul into such a sensitive category. Having the support of white supremacists doesn't sound all that great; but then I remember that this guy leans toward anarchism and therefore is probably the only sort of legitimate candidate who'd receive their funding.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 18:22
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He leans towards anarcho-capitalism, which most anarchists actually consider just private tyranny rather than state tyranny.

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MuertosPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 18:24
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Regardless of Paul's racial views, he is undoubtedly a global warming denier, and thus a conspiracy theorist.

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GenogzaPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 18:28
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I have to defend Ron Paul here to an extent. I think most of it is nothing more then smear campaign. I agree with Sil that you can tear down almost any politician if you want. I've actually had the pleasure of meeting Ron Paul. He was a really nice guy and actually told me that being mixed in race was a "wonderful thing." The dude is really small too, kinda like the Crypt Keeper. If you'd push him over he'd probably shatter.

While I do consider myself a libertarian, I still probably wouldn't vote for him though. Though I do agree with a lot of what he says, he's a little too far to the right on what Ferseus said in anarcho-capitalism.

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sorryPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 18:29
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@ Ferseus, yes. Libertarianism with capitalism or private property, which Paul campaigns for, is not true libertarianism. Still, it's about as close to anarchism as any hopeful candidate will get.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 18:29
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He also believes in Federal Reserve conspiracy theories.

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sorryPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 18:34
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The fact that he supports Austrian economics, federal reserve conspiracy theories, and seems to have an archaic view of evolution and global warming is concerning.

And yet, I still think he's the best candidate for the white house. :(

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GenogzaPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 18:34
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Me and a few people actually asked him a few questions on that Ferseus, and while he has said some outlandish things in interviews, the only thing he told us was that he didn't like the idea of a private bank controlling the American monetary policies. He said he technically didn't want to "End the fed," but rather open their books to congress so that people could see what they are doing.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 18:35
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You should check out his interviews on the Alex Jones Show, he tells a totally different story.

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GenogzaPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 18:38
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I have, and it is unfortunate. I would say "it makes you wonder what he really thinks" but then again, most politicians are full of shit anyway.

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No_HerosPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 19:07
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why would they not "open their books to congress so that people could see what they are doing" ?

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sorryPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 19:09
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From what I've heard, it's because the fed is already transparent due to our system of checks.

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Sil the ShillPosted: Jun 04, 2010 - 19:17
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There was a video posted here awhile back where Paul asks Bernanke why the transactions of the Fed are kept secret and what not, Bernanke just gave him this weird look and informed him that all the information becomes available every 5 years(?). Something to that effect.

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