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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jul 29, 2010 - 01:05
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This thread was spawned from another topic, here's my original post regarding the creation of Masdar City (see Wikipedia):

UAE is a great place where they censor the Internet and pornography is illegal. Did I forget to mention you can't criticize the government? It's weird how someone would think Masdar is a great place, when at the same time many of them repeat stupid rumors about the US government doing all of the above (and more), except there it actually happens.

There's no real way to actually do zero-carbon and zero-waste without forcing people to use an extremely limited number of high priced products that are 100% renewable. If you do that, it would also mean that non-neutral items would have to be illegal, and that's just crazy.

Did I mention UAE has debter's prison?

Masdar City Notice: Greasy, young, white western males need money before entering. Please keep away from the women, just because they look at you, doesn't mean they like you.

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NanosPosted: Jul 29, 2010 - 01:21
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You could build Masdar Cities anywhere, the point was you can build the future if you throw enough money at it, all TZM have to do is get everyone earning plenty, as it would be far easier to do it that way than wait for someone to give them money.

> that's just crazy.

If we could at least manage to get closer to the zero-carbon and zero-waste ideal, whilst not being crazy.

Masdar was just used as an example city, nothing more.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jul 29, 2010 - 01:27
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Getting towards an ideal isn't crazy, but the wording makes me think they're going to force it upon people.

I understand that TZM members obviously wouldn't consider Masdar an ideal, but my post in this thread really is about the city as it is.

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CyborgJesusPosted: Jul 29, 2010 - 01:40
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I think it's inspiring that cities like this one actually are built - that somebody can ROI on a 24B investment (probably 25-100% higher than that, but hey) that's not just designed for millionaires with too much time, like the artificial islands.

If you'd combine a high ROI with some basic values that I'd build my idea of a new society around, projects with similarities to TZM/TVP (leaving out the utopia / CT bullshit) become at least possible, even though not probable.

As far as the actual city - it's the same ol' to me. Rich people can move in and buy expensive stuff and feel happy about not ruining the environment.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jul 29, 2010 - 02:03
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I agree to a certain extent JesúsCiborg, but I'd like to see something like this from a country that isn't a dictatorship.

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sorryPosted: Jul 29, 2010 - 06:55
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One step at a time, Edward. This is an interesting project that fortunately has no impact on our taxes. Let the rich build this city and provide some empirical evidence that such a design can flourish.

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 29, 2010 - 07:29
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How do you trust empirical evidence from a dictatorship?

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sorryPosted: Jul 29, 2010 - 08:26
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When we see the city survive or collapse from its use of experimental technology.

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 29, 2010 - 08:58
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That seems like two awfully extreme outcomes to put any sort of hope in.

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Agent MattPosted: Aug 01, 2010 - 16:38
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Thought this was interesting:

UAE to ban BlackBerry services, Saudi follows suit

The government cited a potential security threat because encrypted data sent on the devices is moved abroad, where it cannot be monitored for illegal activity. But the decision - quickly followed by a similar move in Saudi Arabia - raises questions about whether the conservative Gulf nations are trying to further control content they deem politically or morally objectionable.

http://wvgazette.com/ap/ApInternational/201008010349

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