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Omni-SciencePosted: Jul 23, 2010 - 02:29
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Bill Maher is badass. Too bad he might be an AIDS denialist.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3791007322683758535#

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 23, 2010 - 07:20
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Don't care for Bill Maher.

Rich guy that complains about shit and does nothing about it.

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Omni-SciencePosted: Jul 23, 2010 - 07:36
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He's still funny asshole! :P

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 23, 2010 - 08:29
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I guess.

I mean how hard is it to win an intellectual argument against rednecks in a trucker chapel? Or some guy playing Jesus at a theme park?

Religulous is just a movie to make people feel superior.

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Omni-SciencePosted: Jul 23, 2010 - 08:30
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How many people would confidently place themselves in such a situation?

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AnoukPosted: Jul 23, 2010 - 09:02
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I liked the movie, sad he cut out the David Icke interview. It was so awesome.

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 23, 2010 - 09:04
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"How many people would confidently place themselves in such a situation? "

Probably anyone who is used to speaking in front of large groups of people. Especially if that is basically what their career is.

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Omni-SciencePosted: Jul 23, 2010 - 09:33
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He interviewed David Icke?

Link that shit, son!

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KeppPosted: Jul 23, 2010 - 11:51
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Agent MattPosted: Jul 23, 2010 - 11:59
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Icke is very good at adapting his rhetoric to the audience.

He knew why Maher was interviewing him and was very careful to avoid admitting anything about channelled information from spiritual beings.

He's a pro, I'll give him that.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jul 23, 2010 - 12:39
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That movie repeats the same Horus bullshit from Zeitgeist that's totally inaccurate. Not to mention that Bill Maher is a germ denier and AIDS denier. What kind of moron thinks germs don't exist?

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Omni-SciencePosted: Jul 23, 2010 - 12:53
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Does he explicitly deny the Correlation between AIDS and HIV etc.?

I do agree with Ed on the Horus stuff, I think he included it to drive home the point that Christianity's tales are not original, albeit by using bullshit. :/

I know he states that the environment is what's causing our bodies to be ill, but most people who do so don't understand that nature can also be quite deadly.

There are toxins thousands of times more potent than Cyanide that we haven't been able to synthesize yet, and yet for animals it's 2nd nature.

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 23, 2010 - 12:55
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"I do agree with Ed on the Horus stuff, I think he included it to drive home the point that Christianity's tales are not original, albeit by using bullshit."

Then he is no more credible than the Christians he attempts to refute.

Read the following link and then tell me if it is worth the time to argue semantics over Maher's AIDS denialism:

http://denyingaids.blogspot.com/2009_03_01_archive.html

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Omni-SciencePosted: Jul 23, 2010 - 12:58
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It's all fun and games until someone dies of Cryptococcus Neoformans infection. (opportunistic fungi that invades AIDS patients)

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 23, 2010 - 12:59
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I think Maher is a piece of shit.

But that's just my opinion.

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Omni-SciencePosted: Jul 23, 2010 - 13:02
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Goddammit!

For once, I'd like to see a really famous influential person who ISN'T a fucking victim of any sort of woo woo, health, CT or otherwise.

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oreolvrsPosted: Jul 23, 2010 - 13:27
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I remember this was compared to the "Expelled:No Intelligence Allowed" which was released before it.In it Ben Stein did the same thing as Maher,he never told the interviewees what he going to interview them about or his angle that he was coming from and so then trick them into saying shit that belittled them.Not to mentiton he used other techniques such as quote mining,as well as cleverly editing the interviews to further distort their words.

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AnoukPosted: Jul 23, 2010 - 13:36
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Thanks Kepp for posting the link for me. :)
David Icke is like all cult leaders. A good talker,
charismatic and knows how to combine nonsense in a representable package.

But he's still insane.

(And the comments on that video are extremely depressing.
"Read Ickes book for proof!" Are you kidding me?)

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Jul 23, 2010 - 13:51
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duncanlecombrePosted: Jul 24, 2010 - 02:01
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Hahaha never seen it but...............
I appeared to look like a Micheal Moore style documentary.

I have this belief that you could convince anyone of anything using a documentary and the following tactic..............
Film interviews with All the smartest and renown people who are with your point of view then............
Film interviews with all the stupidest people who are AGAINST your point of view.

Is this movie kind of like that???
Maybe I'll check it out just for the heck of it.

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 24, 2010 - 08:03
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"Is this movie kind of like that???"

No.

Its exactly like that.

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Omni-SciencePosted: Jul 24, 2010 - 09:08
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You know, maybe that's what has to be glaringly done in order for people to see it like it is.

One can make a very good case against religion.

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 24, 2010 - 09:18
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If you can't make your point honestly, you shouldn't be making it at all.

You seem to think Maher and Moore make their films because they are philanthropists.

If that were the case, they would be distributed for free.

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Omni-SciencePosted: Jul 24, 2010 - 09:35
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Well, I know different. But I also know showbiz.

(sigh) That doesn't refute your point though.

At least Dawkins wouldn't meddle in such nonsense.

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 24, 2010 - 09:37
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Do you really think Religulous would appeal to anyone who doesn't already agree with it?

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Omni-SciencePosted: Jul 24, 2010 - 10:19
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No, but anyone willing to just ignore it without acknowledging what people have done in the name of religion is hopeless in my opinion.

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 24, 2010 - 10:20
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"No, but anyone willing to just ignore it without acknowledging what people have done in the name of religion is hopeless in my opinion. "

I would say the same thing towards those who don't acknowledge the positive things people have done in the name of religion.

For the record: I'm an atheist.

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Omni-SciencePosted: Jul 24, 2010 - 10:25
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True. I acknowledge that, and understand how religion kept us from oblivion centuries ago.

But that was a long time ago. And people today don't have to need to have faith to do good things.

I guess it just boils down to preference. Were it up to me, religion would be taught as a relic from a time before we had better understanding of the universe.

FTR: Ditto

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Agent MattPosted: Jul 24, 2010 - 10:26
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"Were it up to me"

It isn't and it never will be.

Religion does not only do positive things centuries ago. There are people who would starve or die from preventable illnesses if not for religious charities. They don't care what you want or what you believe. They only want to eat and live.

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Omni-SciencePosted: Jul 24, 2010 - 10:45
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Don't be so sure of that.... >:( :3

There are also ones that do the same without supporting faith.
"Faith" part unnecessary.

I remember a quote from Douglas Adams.

"Isn’t it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?"

I think the same applies to selfless actions, for the most part.

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