Two articals that I found.
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Joe | Posted: Apr 26, 2012 - 20:32 |
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Level: 8 CS Original | Ron Paul's 2012 campaign has won the majority of Washington's delegates to the Republican National Convention, and a number of other states are expected to follow suit, pointing to a hectic convention in which Mitt Romney's path to the nomination may face a major insurgent opponent. Ron Paul's 2012 campaign has won the majority of Washington's delegates to the Republican National Convention in Tampa, and a number of other states are expected to follow suit, paving the way to a hectic convention in which Mitt Romney's path to the nomination will come up against the major obstacle of an insurgent opponent. Washington is now the third state, after Iowa and Minnesota, in which Ron Paul has locked up at least half of the state's nominating delegates. In order to be officially entered in nomination at the Tampa, Fla., convention, he needs to secure half or more of the delegates in five states, and as of Thursday, he looks poised to grab a majority of delegates in other states like North Dakota and Maine in coming weeks. Ron Paul's 2012 campaign has taken an unorthodox tack, hoping to draw state delegates to his camp rather than simply winning the popular vote. As such, he is stacking up delegates who once backed Newt Gingrich, Herman Cain, Rick Santorum and other fallen candidates. And the strategy is not unprecedented. Warren G. Harding pulled off a surprise win at the 1920 Republican convention, where he eventually won the nomination despite heading in with the fewest delegates of any remaining candidate. And Harding went on to sweep into the White House. Even Fox News said this week that Paul's presence on the ballot at the 2012 Republican National Convention in Tampa "looks inevitable at this point." And if he makes it onto the ballot, Ron Paul's 2012 campaign has the chance to throw a wrench in the nominating process, proving all the critics wrong by having a huge impact on the Republican race instead of just fizzling out as has long been predicted. Even if he doesn't end up with the GOP nod, Paul may be able to influence the proceedings in Tampa by changing the conversation and revamping the strategy in order to target Paulites and others who don't agree with Romney's policies. The libertarian Texas congressman could also continue to remain relevant by running on a third-party ticket, an option he has not ruled out. http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/333906/20120426/ron-paul-2012-delegates-news-romney-convention.htm B.S. Not to sound like a CTer but why don't you think that the Major News outlets are not reporting on this? | |||||
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Joe | Posted: Apr 26, 2012 - 20:36 |
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Level: 8 CS Original | Ron Paul has won a majority of Iowa and Minnesota delegates long after their primaries ended, demonstrating a possible path to the White House for the Texas Congressman and providing a boost to a campaign many political observers have tried to declare over. The news that Ron Paul's 2012 campaign is getting a breath of fresh air from Iowa, the state that kicked off the whole primary season months ago, is proving the resiliency of his candidacy, and confounding prognosticators who thought Rick Santorum had both states locked up. Ron Paul 2012 won a respectable 21.4 percent of votes in Iowa, but came in several percentage points behind both Santorum and Mitt Romney. In Minnesota his campaign came in second with 27.1 percent of the vote, but Santorum crushed him with 44.9 percent of votes there. Santorum dropped out of the race last week. But it appears that Ron Paul and his supporters are getting the last laugh, as MSNBC's Rachel Maddow reported on Monday that the delegate counts in Iowa and Minnesota have tipped in his favor. In fact, the delegates have lined up in both states to give him the majority of delegates to the Republican Party's nominating convention, according to MSNBC: "Fourteen of the 28 delegates [in Iowa] -- half the delegates -- are his. He will not get less than half. So Ron Paul will either wins Iowa, or worst-case scenario, he ties for first place," Maddow explained, citing a range of reports. "And, while we're on the subject, looks like Ron Paul just won Minnesota, too. Minnesota has 40 delegates total, this weekend, Ron Paul won 20 of them. Now not all the rest of Minnesota's 40 delegates have been allocated yet, but with half of them locked up Ron Paul cannot come in worse than first. Worst-case scenario, Ron Paul can't come in worse than first in Minnesota. Anything better than that he wins outright." The delegate sweep was predicted by Paul himself, who told a crowd the following: "When the dust settles, I think there's a very good chance we're gonna have the maximum number of delegates coming out of Minnesota." And Rachel Maddow predicts that the strategy may lead to a resurgence for Paul, whose supporters are some of the most vociferous in the country. Though Paul's delegate gains are not making big headlines in Washington and national mainstream news outlets, she believes he could possibly win the GOP presidential nomination using the unorthodox tactic: "Ron Paul was right. No one is getting more delegates than he did in Minnesota or in Iowa or in wherever else this Ron Paul delegate strategy of his pays off." In fact, Ron Paul 2012 supporters in Texas cite Warren G. Harding's 1920 campaign, in which he won that year's fractious Republican nominating convention (and eventually the presidency) after heading into the convention with the fewest delegates of any remaining candidate. Click play below to watch the video of Rachel Maddow explaining the Ron Paul 2012 campaign strategy of stacking up delegates: http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/332617/20120424/ron-paul-2012-delegates-news-iowa-minnesota.htm | |||||
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emcada | Posted: Apr 27, 2012 - 00:35 |
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Level: 0 | I doubt it. These articles are doing what pretty much any article on Ron Paul's position in the GOP primaries do. They claim that Ron Paul has a chance yet they don't cite anything that can prove their point. Almost (if not) everything that has a delegate count for the GOP primaries show that Ron Paul doesn't have enough delegates to actually win. http://i.imgur.com/ueDYj.jpg /> This image pretty much sums up what's going on right about now. (in a sort of comical fashion) | |||||
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Joe | Posted: Apr 27, 2012 - 13:41 |
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Level: 8 CS Original | ^But why don't you think that Major News outlets are not reporting on this? I don't think that Ron Paul is winning, but why are they not reporting on what happened in these three States. The only thing that I could come up with is that the media at this point is so focused on the Geniral Election and since Romney is a shoe-in the win they feel it is not even worth reporting on. | |||||
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emcada | Posted: Apr 27, 2012 - 23:17 |
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Level: 0 | Quote from Joe That's what i think too. I also think that these gains aren't really significant at all. Unless a couple of these states redid their primaries with Ron Paul coming out as first, then I would think something like that would get reported. | |||||
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scitops | Posted: Apr 28, 2012 - 15:05 |
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Level: 4 CS Original | Most delegates are bound based on primary results. A delegate might be for Paul but still be required to vote for somebody else based on primary results. | |||||
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Damarauder | Posted: May 25, 2012 - 04:09 |
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Level: 0 | Check this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW_JNDfNkes | |||||
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emcada | Posted: May 25, 2012 - 22:29 |
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Level: 0 | Quote from Damarauder Didn't realize that 22 out of 25 in one state counted for 40% of all delegates. Here's something else worth reading http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/ron-paul-suspends-campaign-revolution-rnc-tampa-republican.php?ref=fpnewsfeed | |||||
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Damarauder | Posted: May 26, 2012 - 01:28 |
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Level: 0 | Yea, RP will continue to run untill the convention in Tampa, but won't waste any (more) money on primary states. He lacks the funds to seriously have a chance in beauty contests. Fox and the other media are simply too biased to give the guys a fair chance. They promote Rmoney. So in fact, I think it's a wise strategy by RP. He probably can't win the nomination in 2012 anyway, but looking at how his supporters took over some GOP administrations, I am sure his growth (or at least the popularity of his ideas) will continue to increase. He said it himself "I am not trying to win the election, I am trying to change the course of history". And that's what he will do... you better recognize the next Jefferson when you see him. | |||||
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emcada | Posted: May 26, 2012 - 02:38 |
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Level: 0 | So he's pretty much accepted that he has no chances of winning and quitting on his own campaign? | |||||
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Damarauder | Posted: May 26, 2012 - 04:31 |
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Level: 0 | So funny to see you reason everything straight into your prefered frame of reference. This guy is trying to save your country. Better stand behind him. Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=n7zwWqMPqkU#t=3008s Or even better, watch it entirely and you will see that you have only 2 options: 1) Support RP's cause 2) Submit to totalitarianism | |||||
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emcada | Posted: May 26, 2012 - 14:10 |
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Level: 0 | ^^^ Doesn't answer my question | |||||
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Damarauder | Posted: May 27, 2012 - 01:25 |
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Level: 0 | He accepted he will not win beauty contests, simply because RP does not have enough money to bomb the primary states with tv commercials. This is required to win those. In Caucas states, it's easier to win delegates without lots of money. This fact alone, should worry you Americans. You don't WIN the presidency. You buy it. But yes, you're right he won't spend any money on campaigns, he will save his money to get a strong following at the Tampa convention. He will have enough delegates to alter the course, not to mention he has set in motion a GOP change from the roots. He in fact succeeded in his goal. | |||||
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emcada | Posted: May 27, 2012 - 03:25 |
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Level: 0 | Quote from Damarauder If this was in fact a beauty contest, Bachman would've won a looong time ago, and Romney wouldn't be in the position he's in currently. The presidency isn't bought at all. Everything has a cost. Quote from Damarauder So yeah he basically admitted defeat | |||||
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CyborgJesus | Posted: May 27, 2012 - 06:47 |
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Level: 6 CS Original | Or even better, watch it entirely and you will see that you have only 2 options: Untrue. Paul believes in a binary choice between naïvely idealistic market orthodoxy and government autocracy that just doesn't exist. I'm all for limited government power and more individual freedom, but without all the Ayn Rand bullshit, please. | |||||
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Damarauder | Posted: May 27, 2012 - 13:40 |
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Level: 0 | Let me rephrase. Two choices: 1) More and deeper corporatism (Romney, Obama, you name em). 2) Not perfect, but at least honest and with a ideological drive to push corporations out of government. Just vote RP out after he has done his quickfixes and threatens to go too far towards Objectivism | |||||
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scitops | Posted: May 27, 2012 - 23:57 |
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Level: 4 CS Original | Ron Paul is the ultimate corporate candidate. He opposes all business regulation, environmental law, labor laws, and statutes that allow people legal recourse against their employers or polluters. | |||||
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Evil Elvis | Posted: May 28, 2012 - 04:55 |
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STFU! Level: 1 CS Original | can someone explain to a simple european like me - how is it that there are people believe that some libertarian douchebag is what the country needs in order to be 'saved'? | |||||
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