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CyborgJesusPosted: Apr 24, 2011 - 17:22
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http://www.zcommunications.org/zparecon/parecon.htm</p>

I was looking for a recent article by Chomsky and stumbled upon this.

I think I'm finally leaving my communist days behind, I just can't imagine the information flow needed to make this thing work, although I'm always happy to get my hands on a book critical of contemporary economics, for obvious reasons.

Anyone else heard of this?

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 24, 2011 - 17:30
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People still read Chomsky?

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CyborgJesusPosted: Apr 24, 2011 - 17:39
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I do, I consider his work on foreign policy to be very lucid and accurate.

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 24, 2011 - 17:44
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Since when do linguists know anything about foreign policy?

I think his work on foreign policy is garbage.

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CyborgJesusPosted: Apr 24, 2011 - 17:51
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So if you're a linguist, your view of foreign policy is automatically worthless?

I think your argument is garbage.

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 24, 2011 - 17:54
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I don't care what you think. I think the only reason you like Chomsky is because he's an ideologue who's views you agree with. I don't think it has anything to do with the accuracy of his analysis on foreign policy.

Stick that in your commie pipe and smoke it.

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CyborgJesusPosted: Apr 24, 2011 - 18:08
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Meh, I don't accept the "ideologue" argument. Chomsky is putting forward a pragmatic view of geopolitical events that usually offers a range of opportunities to combat them, none of which would be outrageous, if public opinion were allowed to leave the confinement of consent and thus influence politics beyond a narrow scope of empty phrases like "democracy" or "peace process".

If that makes him an ideologue, I challenge you to name somebody who offers insights on international politics who isn't.

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 24, 2011 - 18:16
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In The End of Faith, writer Sam Harris supports the American military definition of collateral damage and criticizes Chomsky for not taking it into account.

Nothing in Chomsky's account acknowledges the difference between intending to kill a child, because of the effect you hope to produce on its parents (we call this "terrorism"), and inadvertently killing a child in an attempt to capture or kill an avowed child murderer (we call this "collateral damage"). In both cases a child has died, and in both cases it is a tragedy. But the ethical status of the perpetrators, be they individuals or states, could not be more distinct... For [Chomsky], intentions do not seem to matter. Body count is all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Noam_Chomsky</p>

Chomsky can take a flying fuck through a rolling donut. He also hates Jews.

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CyborgJesusPosted: Apr 24, 2011 - 18:25
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Allright, you're trolling me.

Here's your cake: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdrs3gr_GAs

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 24, 2011 - 18:29
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I wonder if Chomsky would be so understanding of suicide bombers if one took out his car.

Protip: I'm not trolling. I hate Chomsky.

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CyborgJesusPosted: Apr 24, 2011 - 18:40
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I wonder if Harris would be so understanding of collateral damage if his wife died as a result of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3n0vBcW5fc

Protip: I am trolling. I like Harris.

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 24, 2011 - 18:45
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Maybe as your commie-ness continues to wear off you will come around on Chomsky.

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CyborgJesusPosted: Apr 24, 2011 - 18:56
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I will do so instantly, if I hear enough arguments against him.

So far we only had a quote from Harris that just fails on both levels, first, motives simply aren't everything, I may have the best motives in the world, if I'm just incompetent in carrying them out, I'm simply not doing a good task. Is there a difference between my actions and killing people on purpose? Sure, is it practically significant, if my actions do not archive anything positive? Not really.
Secondly, Chomsky points out himself that the motives of US "collateral damage" are not that good as to defy criticism, so I'll not do the same here.

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KeppPosted: Apr 25, 2011 - 16:56
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I read End of Faith and that quote by itself is not enough to understand the context of what Sam Harris was saying.

Read page 138-147
Leftist Unreason and the Strange Case of Naom Chomsky
Perfect Weapons and the Ethics of "Collateral Damage"

http://books.google.com/books?id=XP_86itwp2IC&pg=PA147&lpg=PA147&dq=we+are+now+living+in+a+world+that+can+no+longer+tolerate+well+armed+sam+harris&source=bl&ots=sdmNRZ5gUx&sig=pGgsC-HwLfeI79uEOLmpDlVD0kY&hl=en&ei=7uy1TZuEOamR0QH14f2YCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

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CyborgJesusPosted: Apr 26, 2011 - 06:50
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I don't buy his argument. No, "collateral damage" is not equivalent to kids dying when using sporting equipment. When he says "There is reason we do not refer to the inevitable deaths of children on our ski slopes as skiing atrocities" he is asserting the "inevitable" on faith (scnr), as if it would apply to the atrocities perpetuated by the US.

His "moral equivalence" is a straw man, I've never once seen Chomsky arguing for anything like that, but that's more or less irrelevant to the topic.

If Harris is saying that we should be object more to Islamic terrorism than terror used by allies of the US, I might agree with him, but that's just not a moral point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV7UYj-4mTE&feature=player_detailpage#t=277s [4:40]

I think the book as a whole is great, I just don't think he's understanding any of the criticisms against the terms Rumsfeld or Kirkpatrick like to use.
Nothing wrong with that, I think the same about Hitchens and I still enjoy his writing on religion.

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Agent MattPosted: Apr 26, 2011 - 09:04
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"I hate Jews and Hitler was an okay guy." - Noam Chomsky

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KeppPosted: Apr 26, 2011 - 17:53
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I don't know much about Chomsky. I just wanted to put that out there cause I'm a Harris fan. ;)

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JoePosted: Apr 26, 2011 - 21:23
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"He also hates Jews."
I thought that he was a Jew.

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KeppPosted: Apr 26, 2011 - 21:24
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^trolled

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JoePosted: Apr 26, 2011 - 21:28
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^Elfed

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CyborgJesusPosted: Apr 27, 2011 - 19:31
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http://dailypaul.com/11918/noam-chomsky-on-ron-paul#comment-613978</p>

Paultards trying to understand Chomsky trashing their hero. Enjoy.

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The Real RoxettePosted: Apr 27, 2011 - 19:51
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There ARE more sluts in public schools. Shut up and let me explain.

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Says it all about Paultards:

chomsky is an NWO shill. always has been, always will be

I like how "Fryfat" responds to Chomsky's points about how free contracts between master and slave are okay, because India and North Korea have starving people and they're "socialist." What a fucking idiot.

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CyborgJesusPosted: Apr 27, 2011 - 19:56
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chomsky doesn't have the balls to address countless specific questions about 9/11 which conflict with the official report, building 7 to start, but even goes so far as to say that it doesn't MATTER if factions within our own government perpetrated the incident.

chomsky is as evil as they come; if he tells you to head north, you sure as h*ll better start running south.

chomsky..
>vomiting<

ron paul for president &
Jesus Christ, come soon.

Loving it

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Wolf BirdPosted: Apr 27, 2011 - 19:58
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Typical Paultardism. All I have to say.

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