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Agent Matt | Posted: Feb 14, 2011 - 09:24 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | House Speaker John Boehner (R-Va.) doesn't want to talk about it. House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) doesn't want to talk about it. But their Republican allies in state legislature don't mind talking about it at all. The opening of 2011 state legislative sessions has been accompanied by a spate of birther-related bills, the clearest indication yet that the controversy surrounding President Barack Obama's place of birth will continue to simmer throughout his reelection campaign. Lawmakers in at least 10 states have introduced bills requiring presidential candidates to provide some form of proof that they are natural-born citizens, a ballot qualification rule designed to address widespread rumors on the right that Obama was not born in the United States. This is more than just annoyance about idiotic jokes at CPAC, this is about 10 legislatures advancing actual legislation in response to insane conspiracy theories. Adam Serwer had a smart item the other explaining the "post-birtherism" phase of Republican thought: "Since the Republican base has long seemed impossible to sway from clinging to certain symbolic beliefs in the face of verifiable facts, conservatives have adapted to birtherism by making a joke out of it.... But by making jokes about it, conservative political figures manage to avoid taking a position one way or the other. They mollify the birther elements of the Republican base who simply can't accept the legitimacy of a black man in the White House by signaling agreement with them, while allowing Republicans averse to conspiracy theorizing to dismiss it all as a jest." And while that's certainly true, let's not forget that in nearly a dozen state capitals, Republicans haven't quite gotten to the "post-birtherism" phase, because they're still stuck in the actual birtherism phase. Also note, Dave Weigel explained recently that some of the GOP birther bills in state legislatures go even further than demanding proof of birth in the United States, and actually target Barack Obama specifically, removing any pretense of larger principles of transparency and accountability. Congressional Republican leaders don't want to "tell people what to think," but would they at least be willing to characterize these crazy state efforts as ridiculous? http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2011_02/027985.php | |||||
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AKBastard | Posted: Feb 14, 2011 - 09:50 |
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Level: 5 CS Original | This Birther shit is so beyond irrelevant. I commend Mr. Bohner and Eric Cantor for not scratching the bottom of the Birther barrel. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Feb 14, 2011 - 09:53 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | You commend them for being pussies on the issue? They know the birther stuff is crap, but they won't come out and say so because it will alienate their far right base. Gimmie a break. | |||||
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AKBastard | Posted: Feb 14, 2011 - 10:00 |
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Level: 5 CS Original | Ahem... "for not scratching the bottom of the Birther barrel." I think they realize that speaking up against the Birthers wouldn't do dick. As you say, you can't use logic with illogical people. I'm just glad they haven't jumped on the same wagon as these lunatics. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Feb 14, 2011 - 10:12 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | Garbage. They're still scratching the bottom of that barrel by pandering to the birthers by refusing to squash the rhetoric. They have no problem telling Americans what to think on issues such as when life begins. But on issues that might cost them political support, suddenly they don't want to tell Americans what to think. Its cowardly and its transparent as a motherfucker. Are they parroting the rhetoric? No. Are they attempting to squash the rhetoric? No. Its intellectual dishonesty and dirty politics at it's worst. | |||||
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AKBastard | Posted: Feb 14, 2011 - 10:39 |
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Level: 5 CS Original | I'd be inclined to agree with you...if this shit wasn't so stupid. This is only my opinon, and I can only speak for myself, but to me it's like saying "OBAMA IS AN ALIEN LIKE INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS!" How the fuck do you even begin to argue something like that? Everyone knows the Birther shit is demented. Republicans have been giving their opinions on abortion for decades, but addressing shit THIS shit which is on the same plateau of idiocy as 9/11 truth, I would do my best to distance myself from it, too. It needs to stop though. No question. My only question is - can one really squash this kind of rhetoric? George W tried to do that with the 9/11 truth stuff and we saw how successful that worked. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Feb 14, 2011 - 10:42 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | You don't seem to understand. Why is it the GOP has no problem saying "We should not tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories" about 911 but when it comes to a political opponent they say "We don't tell Americans what to think."? The point is not whether or not squashing the rhetoric would stop the birther conspiracy theories. The point is that the GOP won't even try because it will cost them political points if they do so. Stop making excuses for poor behavior. | |||||
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AKBastard | Posted: Feb 14, 2011 - 11:10 |
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Level: 5 CS Original | I never thought it had absolutely nothing to do with alienating votes. I'm sure it does. When Bush told everyone that we shouldn't tolerate 9/11 conspiracy theories, what good did that do except make it look like he had something to hide? That's the kind of logic these people posses. It's the same with this Birther crap. If Boehner speaks up against the Birther rhetoric, he loses stock, gets called a "shill", and alienates his base. If he stays quiet, he's a pussy. It's lose-lose. This is what happens when stupid CTs go mainstream. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Feb 14, 2011 - 11:22 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | Your point might be valid, if the GOP didn't still cater to them in order to get a vote from them. But since they do, it isn't. This is yet another example of the GOP's intellectual dishonesty. | |||||
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AKBastard | Posted: Feb 14, 2011 - 11:24 |
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Level: 5 CS Original | I was talking about Boehner specifically. Not the entire GOP. If Boehner does cater to these people, you'll have to point me to where because I'm not aware of it. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Feb 14, 2011 - 11:37 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | You just don't get it. | |||||
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AKBastard | Posted: Feb 14, 2011 - 11:55 |
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Level: 5 CS Original | Okay, then. | |||||
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