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Agent Matt | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 16:51 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | At a press conference this afternoon, President Obama touted the accomplishments of the past several weeks, and sought to rebut any impression that he had been diminished as president after the midterm election results. "A lot of folks in this town predicted that after the midterm elections, Washington would be headed for more partisanship and more gridlock," said Obama. "And instead this has been a season of progress for the American people." It was a very different Obama compared to his press conference two weeks ago, when he tongue-lashed liberals he described as "purist" and "sanctimonious" for criticizing him for making too many compromises with Republicans. As his key examples today, Obama cited the compromise package with Republicans on extending tax cuts and unemployment benefits, the repeal of the ban on gays serving in the military, the ratification of the New START nuclear weapons treaty, and the food safety bill. "So I think it's fair to say that this has been the most productive post-election period that we've had in decades, and it comes on the heels of the most productive two years that we've had in generations." At one point, Jake Tapper asked Obama how he would justify gay people being able to serve in the military -- but not get married. Obama touted the accomplishment of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" repeal itself, but then gave an ambivalent answer on his own attitudes about gay marriage: As I've said, my feelings about this are constantly evolving. I struggle with this. I have friends, I have people who work for me, who are in powerful, strong, long-lasting gay or lesbian unions. And they are extraordinary people, and this is something that means a lot to them and they care deeply about. At this point, what I've said is that my baseline is a strong civil union that provides them the protections and the legal rights that married couples have. And I think that's the right thing to do. But I recognize that from their perspective it is not enough. And I think this is something we're gonna continue to debate, and I personally am gonna continue to wrestle with going forward. And later on, Obama seemed to be quoting the great moral maxim from a source that I don't think we've ever heard an American president go to before -- his favorite superhero comic book series, Spider-Man. "My sense is the Republicans recognize that with greater power is gonna come greater responsibility," he said. "And some of the progress that I think we saw in the lame duck was a recognition on their part that people are gonna be paying attention to what they're doing as well as what I'm doing, and what Democrats in the Congress are doing." Obama did make clear that he would be continuing debates on taxes, spending, the deficit and other issues. And as a major disappointment, he cited the failure to get the DREAM Act passed, which would have provided avenues to education and military service for illegal immigrants who were brought to this country when they were children, and have lived here for virtually their whole lives. "And so one thing I hope people have seen during this lame duck - I am persistent. I am persistent. You know, if I believe in something strongly, I stay on it," said Obama. "And I believe strongly in this [the DREAM Act]. And I am happy to engage with the Republicans about, if they've got ideas about, more on border security, I'm happy to have that conversation. And I think that it is absolutely appropriate for the American people to expect that we don't have porous borders and anybody can come in here any time. That is entirely legitimate. But I also think about this kids. And I want to do right by them, and I think the country is gonna want to do right by them as well." | |||||
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Kepp | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 17:41 |
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Level: 5 CS Original | I'm 37 and I don't think I've ever really liked a president before, but I also was never into politics. But with that being said, I genuinely really like Obama. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 20:39 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | He's like a mix of Clinton and Reagan. | |||||
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Omni-Science | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 20:44 |
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Ordo Ab Chao. Level: 8 CS Original | Why do you say that? | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 20:45 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | Because they were both extremely popular Presidents who knew how to get shit done. | |||||
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Omni-Science | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 20:51 |
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Ordo Ab Chao. Level: 8 CS Original | Wasn't Reagan not a good president? (asking for history lesson, waiting for Camancho to chime in) | |||||
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Muertos | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 20:59 |
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Paid Disinformation Blogger Level: 14 CS Original | Reagan was good in some ways, bad in others. On the whole he'll probably earn from historians a "slightly better than average" rating, but nobody's going to carve his hideous mug on Mt. Rushmore, like modern conservatives want. | |||||
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AKBastard | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 21:16 |
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Level: 5 CS Original | Reagan gave us one of the biggest economic booms in American history, brought down the Soviet Union without firing a shot, and when he fucked up with Iran - he manned up, got on TV, and apologized; even in the face of rabid criticism. Something GW would never do. You can't take anything away from him. | |||||
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Kaiser Falkner | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 21:17 |
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HAIL HYDRA Level: 6 CS Original | Reagan was effective, thats for sure, but his long term economic legacy is certainly mixed. Reagan was a terrible president if you are going to run a party line, but he was good at his job. | |||||
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Omni-Science | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 21:17 |
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Ordo Ab Chao. Level: 8 CS Original | I thought Clinton was the one who gave us the economic boom? | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 21:21 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | Reagan did not take down the Soviet Union. I am not a fan of Reagan's policies, but I cannot deny his popularity. | |||||
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Omni-Science | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 21:21 |
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Ordo Ab Chao. Level: 8 CS Original | Didn't the USSR implode on itself mostly? | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 21:22 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | Yes. | |||||
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AKBastard | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 21:24 |
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Level: 5 CS Original | Reagan's policies definitely sped up it's collapse. | |||||
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Omni-Science | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 21:25 |
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Ordo Ab Chao. Level: 8 CS Original | But he didn't take it down, he just helped facilitate it then. | |||||
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AKBastard | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 21:28 |
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Level: 5 CS Original | Maybe "took down" wasn't the best choice of words, the USSR more or less went bankrupt trying to win the Cold War and meanwhile they knew that Reagan wasn't afraid to push the button. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 21:30 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | I'm not really sure I buy that. The goal for the arms race was not to make the USSR implode, it was to maintain the delicate balance of terror with mutually assured destruction. All of this stuff about making them spend their way into oblivion is well after the fact rationalization. | |||||
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AKBastard | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 21:42 |
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Level: 5 CS Original | I am personally of the school of thought that the beginning of the Strategic Defense Initiative, and sending weapons to Afghanistan rebels to fight the Russian occupation pushed the USSR to military and economic bankruptcy. There was a meeting in 1986 between Gorbachev and Reagan where Gorbachev was trying to get Reagan to drop the SDI project. He offered to give in the US's demands on arms control in exchange for a promise to end "Star Wars" but Reagan refused. That was the beginning of the end for the USSR. | |||||
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Kaiser Falkner | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 21:46 |
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HAIL HYDRA Level: 6 CS Original | They spent themselves into the ground, but the ones who made them do that was the Kremlin. This was the remarkable thing about the USSR. The authoritarian communist regime was great at accelerating the start-up of the economy from its decimated post-war status into an industrial power, but it could not sustain it past that level of development along the industrial track. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 21:46 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | What if Reagan honestly believed in Star Wars, just like he tended to believe in other crazy shit like astrology, and all of the stuff about Star Wars being some sort of geopolitical chess is just bullshit. | |||||
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Kaiser Falkner | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 21:48 |
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HAIL HYDRA Level: 6 CS Original | @ Snob Goblin You have to remember that the Soviet economic woes were well in the making before then. The proxy wars, with or without US intervention, would have done them in iether way. Its also important to remember that politically, not just economically, there were fractures in the regime dating back to the Prague spring of 1968. With that year came the tremors of a political system destined to fail. | |||||
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AKBastard | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 22:04 |
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Level: 5 CS Original | "What if Reagan honestly believed in Star Wars, just like he tended to believe in other crazy shit like astrology, and all of the stuff about Star Wars being some sort of geopolitical chess is just bullshit." I guess we'll never know what he believed now, will we? "You have to remember that the Soviet economic woes were well in the making before then. The proxy wars, with or without US intervention, would have done them in iether way. Its also important to remember that politically, not just economically, there were fractures in the regime dating back to the Prague spring of 1968. With that year came the tremors of a political system destined to fail." I know that things like economic disruption, famine, and proxy wars caused great stress to the Soviet Union. While the US piled on SDI, supply-side economics, and the space race placed MORE stress on a building that wasn't up to code to begin with. All I'm saying is that I think Reagan's policies, on top of all the other problems for the Soviets were the last nails in the coffin. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 22:11 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | But we do know that Reagan believed in woo, therefore it is not unreasonable to assume that he believed in Star Wars. | |||||
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AKBastard | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 22:12 |
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Level: 5 CS Original | What woo did he believe in again? I can't remember. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 22:13 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | Astrology for one. | |||||
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AKBastard | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 22:15 |
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Level: 5 CS Original | What else? | |||||
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Kaiser Falkner | Posted: Dec 22, 2010 - 22:17 |
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HAIL HYDRA Level: 6 CS Original | That policy wasn't just reagans, he just happened to be at the end of a long cycle of administrations that were constantly putting pressure on the soviet system. Not to mention that the soviet collapse was not wholly economic. | |||||
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Muertos | Posted: Dec 23, 2010 - 11:15 |
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Paid Disinformation Blogger Level: 14 CS Original | Reagan had little to do with the Soviet collapse. As has been mentioned here earlier, it would have happened regardless of who the U.S. president was at the time. | |||||
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AKBastard | Posted: Dec 23, 2010 - 11:24 |
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Level: 5 CS Original | I still want to hear about Reagan's belief in woo. | |||||
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Agent Matt | Posted: Dec 23, 2010 - 12:30 |
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Genuine American Monster Level: 70 CS Original | I think Snob is a Republican. Get the tar and feathers. | |||||
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