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domokatoPosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 13:53
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Are you supposed to vote for what you think is best for yourself, or what you think is best for everyone?

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Agent MattPosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 13:55
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Both.

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sorryPosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 13:57
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Within the type of society we maintain, the best for everyone ends up being the best for yourself.

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Agent MattPosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 13:59
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Enlightened self interest is better than just self interest.

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domokatoPosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 14:14
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But if I'm a rich guy, what's best for everyone is to have me get taxed more, and that doesn't seem to be in my best interest.

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Agent MattPosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 14:23
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It depends on how enlightened your self interest is.

If the rich guy is not taxed, the civic infrastructure will not exist to spare him from the wrath of an angry impoverished mob.

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domokatoPosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 14:28
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So I want to get taxed only just enough to keep the impoverished mob from revolting. That still doesn't sound like what's best for everyone.

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Agent MattPosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 14:31
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That's why we have the IRS.

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domokatoPosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 17:33
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Is it just me, or do a lot of people seem to be voting for what's best for them instead of what's best for everyone?

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CyborgJesusPosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 17:42
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Depends on what you want to do.

Happy with status quo and want to help? Make altruistic choices.
Happy with status quo and want more for yourself? Make egoistic choices.
Unhappy with status quo and don't give a fuck / think online movements will change something? Make egoistic choices / none at all.
Unhappy with status quo and want to try something new? Make egoistic choices and then put your power to good use.

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Agent MattPosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 17:53
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I don't believe in altruism.

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CyborgJesusPosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 17:57
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Agent MattPosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 18:04
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I don't believe in objectivism either.

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CyborgJesusPosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 18:13
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RandroidJesus is overstrained.

@topic: I'm altruistic in an egoistic sense; living in a bigger house doesn't make me any happier, yet working on something that could benefit as many people as possible does, so that's what I do.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 18:17
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Society is selfish enough, we don't need to promote it as a virtue.

I had this image, but I lost it, where a guy just gave blood, and it had three kids, one saying "Altruism!" and it then said "The Young Libertarians fled in terror."

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Agent MattPosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 18:23
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@CJ,

Enlightened self interest is okay in my books.

It isn't that I don't care about other people, because I do. But its more complex than just "I want to help people."

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Omni-SciencePosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 18:24
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What do you believe in, Matt? (honestly curious)

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Agent MattPosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 18:24
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Nothing.

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Omni-SciencePosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 18:26
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Okay, if you reject objectivism and altruism, what do you have as the.. I guess, "alternative" thing?

By alternative, I just mean different.

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Agent MattPosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 18:26
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Personal ethics.

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Omni-SciencePosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 18:28
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Ordo Ab Chao.

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Such as?

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CyborgJesusPosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 18:29
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Just call Sam Harris when you encounter a moral problem.

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Agent MattPosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 18:30
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My ethics are pretty standard for any civilized human being I would imagine, perhaps a bit more so. My conscience is somewhat overdeveloped.

I act like an asshat here because its a release from that. In Realworldistan I'm the kindest person you can imagine.

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Omni-SciencePosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 18:36
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Ordo Ab Chao.

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Likewise. It feels good to be an asshole on the internet. Ah, the deliciousness of anonymity.

Although, I try to be nice when I can online, but it's subject to my whims, unlike the real world, where I'm nice 24/7. (monologue and irrelevant here, but whatever)

How is your conscience overdeveloped?

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Agent MattPosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 18:38
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Just comes with being a liberal. I care about shit even when I don't want to.

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CyborgJesusPosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 18:43
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I'm usually nice online and like to scream at people IRL. Maybe comes with my disguise as an evil PT capitalist.

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Agent MattPosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 18:44
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Yeah, whatever homo.

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CyborgJesusPosted: Nov 18, 2010 - 18:49
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YA FIYAD

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