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Agent MattPosted: Oct 26, 2010 - 08:16
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It seems as if we've heard more about the Constitution this election than we did in 2008, when questions of due process and cruel and unusual punishment were bona fide election issues. Two years in to Barack Obama's presidency, after turning a blind eye throughout the Bush years, a key goal for the Tea Party this election is to "return" to the Constitution. Minus certain parts of it. And only if you read other parts in a very specific way.

We know the Tea Party has a ... unique interpretation of the country's foundational text, but it's hard sometimes to keep track of all the things their favored candidates would like to see abolished or relegated as part of this "return."

Their convenient reading of various amendments -- particularly the 10th -- would radically transform the country as we know it. Here are a few major programs would change or disappear.

1. Social Security

Social Security is far too popular for all but the most conservative politicians in America to outright oppose. So the "Tenth Amendment" remedy for what they view as an unconstitutional program is to make individual states responsible for resident's retirement security. No word on how this would impact people who want to retire to a different state than the one they spent their career paying taxes in. Fortunately for Alaska Senate candidate Joe Miller (R), people don't flock to Alaska to enjoy their golden years.

2. Medicare

Along the same lines, some tea partiers and tea party-backed candidates think that the federal government never had the constitutional authority to create Medicare. But few are willing to articulate that view publicly. However, during a Fox News appearance this summer, Miller explained his solution to the Medicare and Social Security "problems."

"If we don't come up with solutions, you know, whether it be privatization, personalization or some other solution, which, frankly, you know, it's our preference that that be a transferred power to the states," Miller said. "That's really what the constitutional basis of our platform has been, that we need to get back to transferring many of the powers of the federal government to the states. We believe that that's what the Tenth Amendment provides."

3. Minimum Wage

Probably because old people vote, and poor people are, well, poor, conservatives are a bit more outspoken about the minimum wage than they are about entitlements for the elderly. But few come right out say that it's unconstitutional. One of the few who does is West Virginia Senate nominee John Raese.

"I don't think it is [constitutional] And the reason I don't think it is, is the same reason the [National Recovery Administration] was not constitutional in 1936," Raese said. "It was declared unconstitutional because it was government micromanaging an intervention into the private sector. Well, what are price controls, or what are wage controls? They're the same thing."

Another is, again, Joe Miller.

4. United Nations

You know what else wasn't specifically provided for in the Constitution? The establishment of, and the United States' participation in, the United Nations. The Republican candidate who most embodies the tea party view that American involvement with the U.N. violates the Constitution is Nevada nominee Sharron Angle.

"The United Nations resides on our soil, and costs us money," Angle claimed in August. "We -- I don't see any place in the Constitution, in those eight priorities, about the United Nations. So when we start cutting programs, about five percent a year, I think the United Nations fits into that category."

5. Unemployment Benefits

Though many Republicans have voted to extend unemployment benefits since the economy tanked, others think the whole concept transgresses the Constitution.

Joe Miller again, this time during an appearance on "Top Line" "The unemployment compensation benefits have gotten -- first of all, it's not constitutionally authorized. I think that's the first thing that's gotta be looked at, so I do not favor their extension."

6. Civil Rights Act

This one's gone way out of fashion. But when he first won the Republican nomination for Senate in Kentucky, tea party favorite Rand Paul figured it would be fine to go on television and discuss why perhaps a key part of the civil rights act, providing for the integration of private businesses, might not be Constitutional. Segregated lunch counters!

"Well, there's 10 -- there's 10 different -- there's 10 different titles, you know, to the Civil Rights Act, and nine out of 10 deal with public institutions and I'm absolutely in favor of," Paul told Rachel Maddow in an interview after he won the GOP nomination. "One deals with private institutions, and had I been around, I would have tried to modify that."

As a breath of fresh air, this argument is based on a right wing reading of the First Amendment, not the Tenth.

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MuertosPosted: Oct 26, 2010 - 08:37
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The Tenth Amendment doesn't mean what Tea Partiers think it means. Then again, they've never read it, so they have no idea what it means, only what they want it to mean.

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Edward L WinstonPosted: Oct 26, 2010 - 11:27
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Ain't no niggers allowed in he'e.

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domokatoPosted: Oct 26, 2010 - 12:35
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I tried to play "nigger" on iPhone Scrabble and it said "That is not an acceptable word"

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sorryPosted: Oct 26, 2010 - 14:25
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lol @ Edward & domokato

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GenogzaPosted: Oct 26, 2010 - 15:49
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Actually, while I don't agree with Rand Paul's politics, as a black man I agree with him on that part of the civil rights act. Infact, a lot of black people do/did, including my grandfather and father who were part of the civil rights movement.

But of course, fringe lefties like Maddow always try find racism in the wrong places. I was more offended by her trying to bait Rand Paul then anything Rand said.

I sometimes think white liberals on the far left(Some, not all) forgot or just don't know what real racism is/was. Today most people don't know what the fuck Jim Crow laws were, both on the left and the right.

The point Rand Paul was trying to make had nothing to do with the Jim Crow laws, or segregation, which is where the left always falls short on. There are countless other things Rand Paul believes that makes him look loony enough, but this isn't one of them.

This is about private ownership and space, and about who you want around, and who you don't want around. No different then owning your house, or your car.

""Ain't no niggers allowed in he'e.""

Now it's funny that you say this Ed, because in a way you're making my point. Honestly, who in their right mind would open a business and try that shit today? If I were to open a business and said I didn't want white people allowed, or a white guy opened one up with that slogan, does anyone in their right mind believe it would be successful? This is the whole point.

Sorry for the rant, but this one has always bothered me since I saw the interview. Again, while I'm no fan of Rand Paul, I think people on the left who make this an issue are doing more racial harm then help.

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domokatoPosted: Oct 26, 2010 - 16:10
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If I were to open a business and said I didn't want white people allowed, or a white guy opened one up with that slogan, does anyone in their right mind believe it would be successful?

Maybe in some parts of the South?

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GenogzaPosted: Oct 26, 2010 - 16:19
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Even then it would be doubtful. That place would be ridiculed, protested, and burned out of business.

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Agent MattPosted: Oct 26, 2010 - 16:54
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"Now it's funny that you say this Ed, because in a way you're making my point. Honestly, who in their right mind would open a business and try that shit today?"

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GenogzaPosted: Oct 26, 2010 - 17:23
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lol, I was waiting for someone to dig up the far right loony white supremacists.

Yes, unfortunately those groups exist, but like I said, any attempt to open a business by anyone of any color that would keep out anyone of any specific color would not survive long. It's not like this is the 20's, 40's or even the 60's. The ridicule and scrutiny alone by normal people would crush it. Not only would it be stupid, but everyone with a brain knows that it's not good business. Personally I don't believe in absolutes, so there is always possibility, but the probability on this one is just to small to take seriously. I mean, there are plenty of hate groups out there that have their little private clubs and meetings and whatnot, but there's a reason why they're not out in the open(outside of their loony protests.) Which is a reason why I feel a business like this would be no different.

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Agent MattPosted: Oct 26, 2010 - 17:32
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The Boy Scouts openly exclude homosexuals and they seem to be going strong.

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MuertosPosted: Oct 26, 2010 - 17:39
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I agree with Genzoga. The vast majority of society finds overt black-white racism unacceptable. We aren't there yet with anti-gay discrimination, though we probably will be there in another 20 years or so.

If a local Republican mayor can get run out of office for sending around an email showing watermelons growing on the White House lawn--as well he should--then I don't see much hope for an openly racist business that aspires to mainstream, rather than fringe, acceptance.

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KeppPosted: Oct 26, 2010 - 17:44
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"any attempt to open a business by anyone of any color that would keep out anyone of any specific color would not survive long. It's not like this is the 20's, 40's or even the 60's. The ridicule and scrutiny alone by normal people would crush it."

I mean sure an openly racist business nowadays would have challenges, but would that be the case if we never had anti-racist laws in the first place? Laws against racism have helped tremendously in getting us to the point where your quote is valid.

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Agent MattPosted: Oct 26, 2010 - 17:45
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^This

Repealing laws that have caused important cultural changes are one slippery slope I want to stay far, far away from.

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sorryPosted: Oct 26, 2010 - 18:05
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Honestly, who in their right mind would open a business and try that shit today?

People wouldn't shop there because they've learned that it's mean to be racist. You have the Civil Rights Movement to thank for that attitude.

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GenogzaPosted: Oct 26, 2010 - 20:49
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Kepp, Matt, and CS, I completely agree with you. However, I don't think some of you are seeing my point. Nobody, even the nutcase that is Rand Paul was talking about repealing or bringing back Jim Crow laws. A lot of people forget it was IN THE LAWS at the time to segregate. Trust me, I have immediate family members who had to ride in the back of the bus because of these laws. It wasn't just because of the bigotry at the time, it was the law as well.

The issue here is that a law was put in place to tell private businesses who they can and can't serve. This has nothing to do with race, unless the owner of said property makes it about race. No different then you, I, or anyone here who owns a house or a car, or private property tells somebody, anybody to either come in, or get out. For whatever reason. It shouldn't matter the reason, if we own it. I mean, what if it's a child molester? Or anyone with a criminal past? Or someone you don't trust? Or just because you're an asshole? This is the point.

I just happen to agree with it. Others don't, and that's fine. But to make it about race(And I'm not saying you guys are), and to put someone on the spot and make it about race, that's not only wrong in my opinion, but that is something I find offensive. Which is rare, because I hardly find anything offensive.

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Agent MattPosted: Oct 26, 2010 - 20:58
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I see your point. You have to defend your weird libertardian beliefs and the only way to do it is by talking in circles.

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GenogzaPosted: Oct 26, 2010 - 21:10
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Well, it's like you said when I first started posting here, Matt. Someone's gotta ruffle the feathers!

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